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| Mestemia wrote: | | Peaches4Jesus wrote: |
Please to not compare my ideas on child rearing to the smoking of weed. There is a difference in relgion and God and I'm almost positive that you are aware of this. |
Thank you for proving my point...
| Peaches4Jesus wrote: | | There is only one God, which is why I said I thought this was a Christian website. |
Opinions differ.
And I am still at a loss as to what it has to do with the topic at hand.
| Peaches4Jesus wrote: | | If you are a Christian then you know there is only one God and I don't see how you wouldn't raise your children up to believe in Him. |
Actually, Back when I was a Christian, I still believed that the other possible Gods could very well exist.
And in fact, I never did put any one God as more "powerful" than the rest.
Interestingly enough, the only real difference between now and then is that I do not 'worship' any God.
| Peaches4Jesus wrote: | | Not forcing anything down their throats, but showing them the path and teaching them about God and praying that they follow Him. You were making it seem as though you thought my wanting to teach my children about God was wrong. And what exactly do you mean by that will lead to a strawman? |
My apologies if I gave you that impression.
That was not/is not my intention.
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A lot of things were just made clear to me. The great thing is we are not married, so the fact that our opinions on child rearing differ does not matter. You are free to raise yours as you wish as am I. |
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| tricky has a photo of herself! the universe has been turned completely upside down |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:58 am |
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| TheCoop wrote: | | tricky has a photo of herself! the universe has been turned completely upside down |
Wow. I don't know what's cuter... all the little kitties she usually uses or... heck what am I saying. You're beautiful tricky ^_^
| tricky wrote: | | Don't date Non-Christians. Stop that. Stop it. |
This is a stretch but... Are you quoting Monty Python? (Just that, "Stop that, stop it" thing from when the King wants his Prince to marry but the prince "Just wants to sing....!") |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:21 am |
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| tricky wrote: | | Don't date Non-Christians. Stop that. Stop it. |
I am not telling anyone to date non-Christians.
The reason I am in this thread to begin with is because I am a non-Christian who has been married to a Christian for seven years now.
I know from first hand experience that it can work.
Key word being CAN. |
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| 4gvn wrote: | | TheCoop wrote: | | tricky has a photo of herself! the universe has been turned completely upside down |
Wow. I don't know what's cuter... all the little kitties she usually uses or... heck what am I saying. You're beautiful tricky ^_^
| tricky wrote: | | Don't date Non-Christians. Stop that. Stop it. |
This is a stretch but... Are you quoting Monty Python? (Just that, "Stop that, stop it" thing from when the King wants his Prince to marry but the prince "Just wants to sing....!") |
HA! Thank you for the compliment! Ahem... 
Well, maybe I was influenced subconsciously by Python. I am a fan. But, at the same time, I'm hearing a different voice saying that in my head. I wish I could place it. I guess I'm quoting someone; I just don't know who. Mostly, I was just joking around while putting my opinion out there at the same time.
So, seriously, if you could never be with someone unless they converted, I think it's a really bad idea to date them hoping to change them. I think a good chunk of the time, both parties end up hurt. It isn't worth it, and its selfish. |
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| TheCoop wrote: | | tricky has a photo of herself! the universe has been turned completely upside down |
I know! My wife is really disappointed - she hoped tricky actually looked like Witch Hunter Robin. |
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| lawlearner wrote: | | Witch Hunter Robin. |
Who? 
... *googling* ...
Ahha! She's a cartoon character.
No. I don't have blond hair and green eyes, nor am I drawn anime style. |
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I think she might have been mistaken about the identity of your previous avatar.
| tricky wrote: | | lawlearner wrote: | | Witch Hunter Robin. |
Who?
... *googling* ...
Ahha! She's a cartoon character.
No. I don't have blond hair and green eyes, nor am I drawn anime style. |
Not enough of us are. |
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| tricky wrote: | | So, seriously, if you could never be with someone unless they converted, I think it's a really bad idea to date them hoping to change them. I think a good chunk of the time, both parties end up hurt. It isn't worth it, and its selfish. |
Sad but true. I had to let someone go fairly recently who i think about almost every day with a hint of regret and the ol' 'what if' question ringing in my head. I honestly don't know if it's worth it or if things would have been better if I'd given up on that belief of 'don't date non-christians'.
Personally I've always stood by the aforementioned 'just don't view but hard experience has somewhat altered my view and I think now I'd be less inclined to be put off by it bt there would always be a point of contention between her and God as regards my attention and time, which could have serious and hurtful consequences as Tricky's pointed out. But it could also go wonderfully and there could be a great relationship, but sadly that's just the very, very rare exception <sigh>  |
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Helllooooooo!!
Well, it's my second day on YOTR and everything is interesting to me. I have looked at the original post and some subsequent ones. My personal perspective (which I think is probably in contradiction to my life) on "should Christians date non-Christians" is as follows...
It's not a sin, it's not wrong until you do something wrong and being with a non-Christian isn't wrong. Jesus did say that "Darkness should not mix with light" (again, you'll have to forgive me - my bible is very dusty). I have dated both Christian and non-Christian women, heck - I'm engaged to a non-christian!!
I think the idea that you could help bring about your/their/whatever partners salvation through faith, actions and prayer in Jesus is a very honorable one. The trouble is; it is all very dependent on the non-christians will to believe in the Truth. And there is nothing in this world that you can do to change that because of the very nature of the human will. That's why faith is SO special and so very personal.
I have found that my good lady (her indoors, the ball and chain e.t.c.) has personal qualities that I have found hard to find in some "Christians". She is incredibly honest; to the point of painfully honest, she is incredibly faithful, she is supportive, loving, very caring; are not all these qualities something we aspire to as Christians?
The trouble is (and I think this might be the biggie!) (and from a personal perspective), there is a part of me that she could never help edify; and that, my interweb friends, is my faith in Christ. The holy union of two people under the sight of God should be about a union in faith as well as in body. To mix (in this context) with non-Christians creates an imbalance that is hard to correct. Though there is always hope.
All that said, God loves the unloveable, He intercedes for us, longing for us to see and live our salvation through belief in his Holy Son. I don't think you can necessarily help who you fall in love with - the faith aspect is something which needs to be considered VERY carefully before you commit your life.
I have made some horrendous mistakes in my life; I have no right to judge what anyone does unless I be judged by the same measure. You've got to do what you believe is what God wants for you or you have to find God in what you believe to be right and entrust your hopes and dreams to Him.
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It's good to have you aboard, Restless. I like what you've contributed so far.
I think what generally comes up in the "non-Christian" argument is the idea that non-Christians couldn't possibly have traits like noble Christians do. In other words, we stereotype them. We view atheists, agnostics, or others as incapable of empathy, mean-spirited, uneducated, close-minded, stubborn, what have you...and yet so many of those traits are found in the very believers who say those things about non-believers.
We tend to categorize peoples' personalities based on their religious beliefs, which is certainly not true. I have been far more put off by Christian men than I have by non-Christian men. From my experiences, Christian men seem to adhere to the "we are mighty, we are strong, we are the rulers of the universe--bow, foolish women" doctrine than anybody else. I'm happily dating a non-Christian who treats me with respect, listens to my opinions even when they differ from his own, and I'm able to have debates with him without somebody losing an eye or their pride. I can have open discussions with him when it comes to religion, and he isn't putting a cross up to me and trying to convert me (nor do I do that to him). I think that people of opposing beliefs both tend to go into a relationship with the intention of changing or converting the other person to either "save" them or "open their eyes"...and neither ends up working. That sort of pressure can crumble a relationship.
Relationships with non-Christians can be very eye-opening...and I would hope that Christians who have never been close to a non-Christian do so. Not to evangelize and cram religion down that person's throat, but I think that getting to know and understand a non-Christian can open a person's eyes. They are not these evil, strange human beings. Christians and non-Christians alike need to stop fearing each other and start getting to know one another better. It'd certainly make for easier conversation and teamwork in the future. |
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| Teslus_Scimitari wrote: | It's good to have you aboard, Restless. I like what you've contributed so far.
I think what generally comes up in the "non-Christian" argument is the idea that non-Christians couldn't possibly have traits like noble Christians do. In other words, we stereotype them. We view atheists, agnostics, or others as incapable of empathy, mean-spirited, uneducated, close-minded, stubborn, what have you...and yet so many of those traits are found in the very believers who say those things about non-believers.
We tend to categorize peoples' personalities based on their religious beliefs, which is certainly not true. I have been far more put off by Christian men than I have by non-Christian men. From my experiences, Christian men seem to adhere to the "we are mighty, we are strong, we are the rulers of the universe--bow, foolish women" doctrine than anybody else. I'm happily dating a non-Christian who treats me with respect, listens to my opinions even when they differ from his own, and I'm able to have debates with him without somebody losing an eye or their pride. I can have open discussions with him when it comes to religion, and he isn't putting a cross up to me and trying to convert me (nor do I do that to him). I think that people of opposing beliefs both tend to go into a relationship with the intention of changing or converting the other person to either "save" them or "open their eyes"...and neither ends up working. That sort of pressure can crumble a relationship.
Relationships with non-Christians can be very eye-opening...and I would hope that Christians who have never been close to a non-Christian do so. Not to evangelize and cram religion down that person's throat, but I think that getting to know and understand a non-Christian can open a person's eyes. They are not these evil, strange human beings. Christians and non-Christians alike need to stop fearing each other and start getting to know one another better. It'd certainly make for easier conversation and teamwork in the future. |
Well Thank you very much!!! I believe you are the second to bathe in the "Restless light" (  ); Phasmid was my first disciple!!! Therefore he shall be my rock.
Anyway - to move away from being stupid for just one moment (and thanks by the way - your honest response brought a smile to my chubby chops!). I actually found / find a lot of Christian men lacking in authority, grace, humility, humanity, (or any kind of manliness for that matter) - all topped off with a mighty fine helping of "I'm holier than thou!" so they try to correct the balance by over-exserting their 'obvious superiority' on the 'poor, dear, sweet, lesser being' women. The R's-holes!
Hey - we're all just folks; regardless of faiths. My good lady is atheist / agnostic but she has far more redeeming qualities than some of the 'brothers' (or sisters for that matter) I know. |
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| Restless wrote: | | Teslus_Scimitari wrote: | It's good to have you aboard, Restless. I like what you've contributed so far.
I think what generally comes up in the "non-Christian" argument is the idea that non-Christians couldn't possibly have traits like noble Christians do. In other words, we stereotype them. We view atheists, agnostics, or others as incapable of empathy, mean-spirited, uneducated, close-minded, stubborn, what have you...and yet so many of those traits are found in the very believers who say those things about non-believers.
We tend to categorize peoples' personalities based on their religious beliefs, which is certainly not true. I have been far more put off by Christian men than I have by non-Christian men. From my experiences, Christian men seem to adhere to the "we are mighty, we are strong, we are the rulers of the universe--bow, foolish women" doctrine than anybody else. I'm happily dating a non-Christian who treats me with respect, listens to my opinions even when they differ from his own, and I'm able to have debates with him without somebody losing an eye or their pride. I can have open discussions with him when it comes to religion, and he isn't putting a cross up to me and trying to convert me (nor do I do that to him). I think that people of opposing beliefs both tend to go into a relationship with the intention of changing or converting the other person to either "save" them or "open their eyes"...and neither ends up working. That sort of pressure can crumble a relationship.
Relationships with non-Christians can be very eye-opening...and I would hope that Christians who have never been close to a non-Christian do so. Not to evangelize and cram religion down that person's throat, but I think that getting to know and understand a non-Christian can open a person's eyes. They are not these evil, strange human beings. Christians and non-Christians alike need to stop fearing each other and start getting to know one another better. It'd certainly make for easier conversation and teamwork in the future. |
Well Thank you very much!!! I believe you are the second to bathe in the "Restless light" ( ); Phasmid was my first disciple!!! Therefore he shall be my rock.
Anyway - to move away from being stupid for just one moment (and thanks by the way - your honest response brought a smile to my chubby chops!). I actually found / find a lot of Christian men lacking in authority, grace, humility, humanity, (or any kind of manliness for that matter) - all topped off with a mighty fine helping of "I'm holier than thou!" so they try to correct the balance by over-exserting their 'obvious superiority' on the 'poor, dear, sweet, lesser being' women. The R's-holes!
Hey - we're all just folks; regardless of faiths. My good lady is atheist / agnostic but she has far more redeeming qualities than some of the 'brothers' (or sisters for that matter) I know. |
I am going to have to add to my last statement because I don't feel comfortable with it. I'm not saying that all Christian men (or women) are what I described and I think that my statement lacks the grace and integrety that it should. We're all falible, Christian and non-Christian, whether you accept it or not. But to say that there is hope for us all through grace might be best. |
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| I know what you meant. Not all Christian men are like I've described, but it's the fact that those men have broken the stereotype I had of them when I was younger. The Christian men I've encountered are not necessarily those graceful, kind people that I imagined when I was a kid. Likewise, atheists are not the jerks I've more or less been brought up to believe. |
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But you're the one whose color's gone from love to dirty gray
Questions come alive in the middle of the day
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Watch me start a fire in the middle of your shade
KISS YOU OFF MY LIPS
I DON'T NEED ANOTHER TUBE OF THAT DIME STORE LIPSTICK
Well I think I'm gonna buy me a brand new shade of man
Kiss you off my lips, it's standing room only for a piece of my pigment
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| Peaches4Jesus wrote: | | A lot of things were just made clear to me. |
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