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| Do you guys think it's ok to have them or not?? Why yes/no?? |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:31 pm |
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| i hate piercings! even ears! ahh its disgusting i mean wat if someone pulls ur earing out of ur ear! ewwwwwwwww |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:08 pm |
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They've become totally acceptable in....anywhere 
I mean, earings are nothing now (socially), you almost feel left out unless you had something else.
Aside from piercings, tattoos are really big too. So many girls and guys have at least 1 tattoo. Girls get the belly rings, guys get the shoulder "tat's".
Obviously, it's not taboo anymore, but I wonder if God is disappointed when He see's these things (You know how we're His temple and all!). |
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| Quote: | | but I wonder if God is disappointed when He see's these things (You know how we're His temple and all!). |
I don’t believe its a matter of getting a tattoo or piercing, on "Gods Temple" us,,,what would be wrong if someone got a tattoo of a bible verse that really touched them, and they became Christian? And wanted the tattoo there so people would ask about it, and he can give his testimony.
So this is my point, it can be wrong if u get them for a wrong reason. Ill try to explain
If someone was to get a tattoo or piercing, for the reason being there friends have one, or a celebrity has one, or to rebel against something or someone, i.e., parents. If it’s all about image to people, they want to display an image of not God, but the world. Then its "wrong”.
Also, it can become an addiction. After one percieing/tatoo, they get another, and another, and well you've seen people with a ton of 'em.
So if you become captive to it, well you become a slave to it, and we all know what thats about. So "wrong" to.
These are some reasons why alot of Christians are against it.
I think it can be ok,,,,,cause
I believe it can be fashion, maybe to some people, it’s an ugly way, others like it.
If I buy a shirt that’s in fashion, is it wrong? No. But if I buy it to be "like everyone else", it can be.
So why couldn’t someone get an earring or a tattoo, if they like it, if its for them to style themselves, like putting on a "name brand" shirt. I think its ok.
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| Quote: | | Corinthians 6:19-20 -- "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body." |
Mikalee, you are taking this verse out of context. It was written by Paul to the church in Corinth because of their sexual promiscuity, and the fact that they participated in pagan rituals (like having sex with prostitutes).
Sexual immorality is a sin against the Holy Spirit, and thus against God. It has nothing to do with tatooing or piercing.
I'll post my thoughts on the matter later, after I've done some research. Check back tonight or tomorrow. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:19 am |
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| Sevaan wrote: | | Quote: | | Corinthians 6:19-20 -- "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body." |
Mikalee, you are taking this verse out of context. It was written by Paul to the church in Corinth because of their sexual promiscuity, and the fact that they participated in pagan rituals (like having sex with prostitutes).
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I haven't quoted anything out of context, I just said our bodies are His temples (which you took the time to verify - thank you  ). If I had said that the Bible says not to get tattoo's or piercings BECAUSE we're His temple, that would have been misinterpretation of that verse.
Here's a verse on tattoos in Leviticus 19:28
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Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.
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And on piercings in Exodus 21:6
| Quote: | | then his master must take him before the judges. [1] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. |
So, in the Old testament (OT from now on) tattoo's were forbidden, and piercings were for slaves.
Now, obviously we don't live in the OT. So, do these verses relate to us in any way? (I will leave the discussion of how OT principles relate to us for later, it's a pretty big one on iteself).
I, personally, think it's immature for Christians nowadays to have little rules like this (No tattoo's, No body piercings...etc), unless of course the matter in question has a big effect on other people (which these don't really).
So, what's the real question?
I guess the real question goes back to what I said in the last post. Is God disappointed with us if we do these things? Are some okay and others not?
I think to answer that question, the person that wants the tattoo or piercing (or whatever else), has to ask him/herself a question and answer it as honestly as possible. "Why do I want this?"
I will bet that 99.999999% of the time, it's for SOMEONES attention. Whether it's someone of the opposite sex, friends, or even enemies...most of the time, thats the purpose behind it.
Genes, how many people do you know with tattoo's (or ever see, even on tv)? How many of them were verses from the Bible? And if they were verses from the Bible, was the purpose to start Christian conversation and convert others? Or was it more like Pulp Fiction, when Samuel L. Jackson would quote a verse from the Bible before he kills someone?
You guys see what I mean?
I don't think we can say that they're WRONG or RIGHT, I think you have to look deeper to the reasons of why you would want them in the first place.
On a sidenote, I'm not trying to trying to convince anyone of anything...these are just my thoughts as they come to me. I'm curious myself whether or not they are considered "wrong". |
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A few of my friends have a tatoo, a few talk about getting them, but thats not the reason I would get one. Ive put it of for a long while, for that reason, I want to know Im getting it for me, and for no one else. If it was to impress someone, I woulda got one along time ago. But its no rush. I want to know its for me, and I dont want some stupid picture tattooed on, I want t get something that means something to me. Like my family name, or Canada flag, or a cross. Is it wrong then?
Its like my ears perice. I waited a long time before I went and got my first one. Not alot of my friends got it done, but a few did, but when they were like 15, 16. I got my first one when I was 19 or 20. It wasnt for them, or to follow them, I just wanted it, so I got it. And the reason for the second one, is I didnt like the look of just the one, so I decide to get the second ear done. Is that worng?
And my point of the bible verse thing, wasnt to give resoning, or say thats why christians do it, it was just a point of, would that be wrong? And if I did see alot of people with verse tattooed, wouldnt it be wrong then, cause I would do what they did? |
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| Genes wrote: | A few of my friends have a tatoo, a few talk about getting them, but thats not the reason I would get one. Ive put it of for a long while, for that reason, I want to know Im getting it for me, and for no one else. If it was to impress someone, I woulda got one along time ago. But its no rush. I want to know its for me, and I dont want some stupid picture tattooed on, I want t get something that means something to me. Like my family name, or Canada flag, or a cross. Is it wrong then?
Its like my ears perice. I waited a long time before I went and got my first one. Not alot of my friends got it done, but a few did, but when they were like 15, 16. I got my first one when I was 19 or 20. It wasnt for them, or to follow them, I just wanted it, so I got it. And the reason for the second one, is I didnt like the look of just the one, so I decide to get the second ear done. Is that worng?
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I don't know...and I don't know.
Although I just thought of something else too.
Sometimes in life there are things we do that we know (as much as we could know consciously) would not have a negative effect on us.
For example, maybe (hypothetically speaking, of course  )I know I can enjoy 2 or 3 cool refreshing alcoholic beverages when I go out to the beach. Now, I KNOW that I don't get drunk or buzzed after 2 or 3 drinks and thus, it has no negative (outward) effects. Then, technically speaking, I don't think I'd be doing anything 'wrong'. (Since the Bible only talks about drunkenness being bad - not drinking).
BUT, what if someone else saw me having these drinks. Someone that knew I was Christian. Could it possibly taint their idea of Christianity? Even though, I'm 'technically' not doing anything wrong?
I'd say it's possible.
So, my point here is that sometimes even when we aren't necessarily doing anything wrong, we also need to think about whether it would have a negative effect on others and how they *might* perceive it - since we're a representation of Christ here on earth.
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And my point of the bible verse thing, wasnt to give resoning, or say thats why christians do it, it was just a point of, would that be wrong? And if I did see alot of people with verse tattooed, wouldnt it be wrong then, cause I would do what they did? |
Again, I think everything would come down to the deep down reasons of WHY you would be doing it, and secondly how will it effect other peoples perception of you ---> Christianity in general.
AND, if anyone is thinking "I don't care what others think, I'm my own person - who's to judge". Which is the most common way of thinking in our world...than you have to consider whether or not you value your own likes and dislikes more, or God's plan and purpose for you. Depending on which one is more important, you would have your answer. |
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| Quote: | | So, my point here is that sometimes even when we aren't necessarily doing anything wrong, we also need to think about whether it would have a negative effect on others and how they *might* perceive it - since we're a representation of Christ here on earth. |
Good point. However, I got to keep this agrument going.
True, we are dont want to give a negitive effect on other christians. Like you said, they might think what your doing is wrong, even tho you dont think it is, which could cause them to stumble, or negitive efftect on them somehow.
My point is, what about non-christians. My buddies ask me, why is this wrong, why is that wrong, and as the whole religion goes, they dont like the idea of dos and donts.
If I say, Im not getting a tattoo because its not Christian, there gonna be agianst the reasonning. And more agianst religion. So how does that help my cause of leading them to Christ?
But when they ask me, whether somthings right or wrong, I say, as a Christian, it doesnt matter if its right or wrong, its a matter how Christ is working in each indviduals life, and as you become stronger in your faith, Christ will show you whats right or wrong.
So as effecting the Christians that see you with a tatto, or whatever it might be, its not them to judge, its not for them to tell me what right or wrong, as like I shoudnlt tell them, but its Christ working in each of us, and then we will know for ourselves, through him. |
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Good discussion Genes and Mikalee. I do agree with both points of view on the topic of tatoos and piercings. However, I do have a strong thinking that some Christians do judge way to easily! Maybe it is a good thing that we don't look like pagans and if we want to get an ear pierced (if u are a guy) and show the world that we are not religous monks. ON THE OTHER HAND, we as christians should have a limit on what we do to our bodies! For we do not want to look like Marylin Masone or a representation of the devil. ONE THING I HATE ON GUYS AND GIRLS IS NOSE RINGS, EYE BROW RINGS, AND ESPECIALLY TONGUE RINGS! I believe this is going to far...........this might be bias of me, but I think if someone does these types of things, goes over the limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think tattooing or piercing is wrong at all.
I was going to write this whole thing, but while researching came across this article about that seems to make the same arguements I was going to say. What do you guys think?
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i have 4 friends that have their belly button peirced and two guyz with their ears peirced.. they are all my age (~14) and they all did it the same month. It started off with one girl who got her belly pierced then a guy who wanted to inpress her.. and it continued from ther..
if ppl are already startin to do tht wen they are so young then wat will happen as they get older? wont it just lead to more
so does that mean thers a certain age or an approximate one when it wont 'dissapoint' God..like how would u no |
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| Sevaan wrote: | I don't think tattooing or piercing is wrong at all.
I was going to write this whole thing, but while researching came across this article about that seems to make the same arguements I was going to say. What do you guys think?
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Sevaan, I will read the whole thing tomorrow, but from what I read that source isn't great. Though their point might not be wrong, I think that they have the wrong idea about some things.
I will go into more detail tomorrow, in the meantime, if you read that source, think about what your reading. |
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| Quote: | ONE THING I HATE ON GUYS AND GIRLS IS NOSE RINGS, EYE BROW RINGS, AND ESPECIALLY TONGUE RINGS! I believe this is going to far...........this might be bias of me, but I think if someone does these types of things, goes over the limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Frit,,,foog loves,,,,"__" "__" loves foog,,,,,,,,,,,,,inside brother thing...lol
I think that point is just an apperecne preffernce thing. True,,,I hate it to, but, as far as if its right or worng,,thats the question,,,,
Can you say theres a limit?,,,i guess that could be a whole other topic,,,is swearing ok, if you dont say the really "bad words"...and only the soft ones,,,,,
I believe too,,there is a limit,,,but,,,is that right?,,,,,Sexually,,,before you get married, is there a limit to what you do with your girl/boy friend,,,as long as you dont go to far,,,,,see what im sayin?,,,,,its like so many other topics.
So as for this topic goes, and may be the answer for alot more too,or at least my answer, I think the more you get close with God, he will show you the limit, the right or wrong, maybe its different for everyone, maybe for someone, getting one little earing is wrong, because there trying to give an image other then God. But for another, maybe ear, nose , whatever, is ok for them,,since there not tryin to give an image, just wearing it like they put on cloths. weather its attreactive or not, is not the issue, weather Gods in your life, thats the issue. Other christians cant be jugdemental, because its between them and God.
I got to stop,,,I really got to stop writing these post so late,,Im not sure if it makes sense or not, i hope you see my point |
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Tara I agree with you 100% and Genes (Faught, lol) I do agree with you for the most part....there should be a limit to everything! However, this limit should be our main focus of do's and don'ts, but it would/should be undercontrol if our main focus is on Jesus, so in that case I also agree with you 100%. And as for Sevaan???? I would really like to see that source you found (out of no where). I guess this article is saying we should get tatoo's and pearcings all over our bodies and look like Satanist (this is being sarcastic, if you never got my point). AND THERE STILL SHOULD BE A LIMIT>>>>>LORD TUNNNDRREN
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ok here we go...
First of all, regarding that source you gave Sevaan, before even getting to the content, one should notice a couple things.
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And, a link to "My Tattoo's".
So, right off the bat, the only thing I get from looking at this site, is that this guy is very proud of his tattoo's and is trying to convince the world that they are good....or at least not bad. (His whole website is only for that purpose!!!)
Automatically, that should discredit him enough not to read the content, but I'll go on.
| Quote: | So why do many good Christians condemn us, those who have tattoos or who want to get tattooed?
Unfortunately, I think many Christians do not fully understand the saving grace that was given to us through the humanity and death of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
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The second sentence is telling us that we not understand the GRACE given through us through Jesus. Hmmm...when does someone need grace? Is it when they've been perfect? I don't think so...I think it's when you do something 'wrong' or against someones will. So, already, he's basically admiting to tattoo's being wrong, but is also saying that it's ok because of Jesus' blood (which I'm not refuting...just pointing out).
| Quote: | | As devout, tattooed Christians, it is incumbent upon us to educate other Christians about |
I think that's what Paul had in mind when he told us to go out and make disciples!
I don't have time to break the article up and dicuss it issue by issue, so I'll summarize my thoughts.
The article goes deeply into the New law and how it supercedes the old one.
I'm not comfortable with this idea (as it is common among Christians and non-Christians).
The New law did not SUPERCEDE the old one, it simply provided another route to God. A route of grace as opposed to law. God is a perfectly just being, and thus can not go against His own nature and not hate Sin. But, Jesus' blood covers our sins. The (old) law is still there in full effect. But, His blood washes us when we come short of it.
We have to be careful if we start thinking of the new superceding the old. It'll be like saying the old was wrong, when we found out the new. In the same way of thinking skeptics can say that in 2000 years, people may realize a new law that supercedes ours.
...ok back on topic...
The article then goes on to tell us about our duty to evangelize:
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The point being that tattoo's are a good form of evangelism.
To be fair, it does say:
| Quote: | | Yet, let us remember that just because we are allowed to be tattooed, doesn't mean that this is what is best for everyone. |
Most importantly, he quotes the verse that I referred to earliers:
| Quote: | St. Paul tells us that we need to be careful that our actions do not lead others away from the faith:
"Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God.
Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for any one
to make others fall by what he eats; it is right not to eat meat
or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble."
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Now, the author needs to ask him/herself one thing.
If a website like that one is necessary to educate people on the fact that tattoo's are NOT wrong, what would you assume?
| Quote: | | So why do many good Christians condemn us, those who have tattoos or who want to get tattooed? |
I would assume that MOST people DO get the wrong impression. And according to what Paul said in Romans 14 (above), it would be wrong to do it JUST FOR THAT REASON.
You guys see my point? The article in itself is self-contradictory. It tells us not to do what may cause others to stumble, and yet the whole point of the article is to "PROVE" that it's not wrong even though many people think so.
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Yeah, Mike, you're right. I had only skimmed the article, not read it carefully and disected it like you. I'll definitely be much more careful in the future. Couple things stand out among what you said:
| Quote: | "Unfortunately, I think many Christians do not fully understand the saving grace that was given to us through the humanity and death of our Lord, Jesus Christ."
The second sentence is telling us that we not understand the GRACE given through us through Jesus. Hmmm...when does someone need grace? Is it when they've been perfect? I don't think so...I think it's when you do something 'wrong' or against someones will. So, already, he's basically admiting to tattoo's being wrong, but is also saying that it's ok because of Jesus' blood (which I'm not refuting...just pointing out). |
| Quote: | | God is a perfectly just being, and thus can not go against His own nature and not hate Sin. But, Jesus' blood covers our sins. The (old) law is still there in full effect. But, His blood washes us when we come short of it. |
| Quote: | | The article in itself is self-contradictory. It tells us not to do what may cause others to stumble, and yet the whole point of the article is to "PROVE" that it's not wrong even though many people think so. |
Good job, Mikalee. I humbly stand corrected.
But I'd like to address another issue. I don't think God is any more disappointed with if you get a tattoo that with any other sin. To him sin is sin, and it is that imperfection that doesn't allow us into his presence, except through Christ.
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| Quote: | | But I'd like to address another issue. I don't think God is any more disappointed with if you get a tattoo that with any other sin. To him sin is sin, and it is that imperfection that doesn't allow us into his presence, except through Christ. |
Yes, agreed. All sins are equal.
In fact, I don't even know if tattoo's are even a sin yet I've just been picking on the roots of why someone would get one and how they effect others.
Ok, now back to the tough questions,
| Quote: | My point is, what about non-christians. My buddies ask me, why is this wrong, why is that wrong, and as the whole religion goes, they dont like the idea of dos and donts.
If I say, Im not getting a tattoo because its not Christian, there gonna be agianst the reasonning. And more agianst religion. So how does that help my cause of leading them to Christ?
But when they ask me, whether somthings right or wrong, I say, as a Christian, it doesnt matter if its right or wrong, its a matter how Christ is working in each indviduals life, and as you become stronger in your faith, Christ will show you whats right or wrong.
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Hmmm...good question.
But, I have a question too. Since when is the norm to have a tattoo?
As in, why do you have to have A REASON to justify not wanting a tattoo?
Can't you just not WANT one? I don't get it.
What about all the non-christians that don't have tattoo's? They're not avoiding it for Christian reasons.
My answer would be this. First ask yourself WHY you want a tattoo. Is it because your friends got it and you feel left out? Is it because you have a national pride and want to show it (refering to the Canadian tattoo you mentioned), or some other reason?
If you say "I just want it for myself", that doesn't really make sense to me. How do you feel different by having an image of some kind on your body? You can't FEEL it, you can't even SEE it unless you go look for it in a mirror. So what does "I want it for myself" really mean? It must have an outward reason of some kind. You just need to dig deeper.
Once you firgure that out, you can more easily and confidently decide whether or not you want a tattoo. If you do, then maybe you should get one. Assuming of course what we've already mentioned about what Paul says in Romans 14.
As for your friends, you can tell them confidently, that Christianity is not about do's and dont's. It's what you said, about Christ increasing in us and changing us from within. But it's also about cause and effect. It's about choices and results of choices. You can tell them that your faith is the difference between eternity in God's presence and not. And that if your tattoo may cause some people to miss out on an eternity in His presence (even though it shouldn't), than you'd rather not get it.
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So as effecting the Christians that see you with a tatto, or whatever it might be, its not them to judge, its not for them to tell me what right or wrong, as like I shoudnlt tell them, but its Christ working in each of us, and then we will know for ourselves, through him. |
That's right, it's not for anybody to judge. Anyone who judges is displaying their lack of spiritual understanding.
On the other hand, do you know any perfect people? I don't. Do live your life without making ANY judgements on ANYBODY? I don't.
'Judging' comes extremely natural to us. We can't help it. If we see a girl on the street wearing nothing but lingerie, we will automatically assume she's a prostitute or just a $lut (excuse my language - I don't know a nicer word!). Maybe it would be wrong for us to judge her that way. Maybe she was just mugged and lost her clothes. Maybe she got locked out of her house accidentally. Or maybe she has a good reason for having to dress that way. The bottom line is that EVERYONE judges. No if's and's or but's. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's everywhere.
Knowing that, we can not expect people not to judge us. And if that judgement of theirs makes them less accessable to God - because of you - than you've not exactly been very helpful to them. |
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| Danieljr wrote: | However, I do have a strong thinking that some Christians do judge way to easily! Maybe it is a good thing that we don't look like pagans and if we want to get an ear pierced (if u are a guy) and show the world that we are not religous monks. ON THE OTHER HAND, we as christians should have a limit on what we do to our bodies! For we do not want to look like Marylin Masone or a representation of the devil. ONE THING I HATE ON GUYS AND GIRLS IS NOSE RINGS, EYE BROW RINGS, AND ESPECIALLY TONGUE RINGS! I believe this is going to far...........this might be bias of me, but I think if someone does these types of things, goes over the limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You have to be careful when setting limits. Those limits are basically there because of your surroundings...not because of what God says.
For example, 100 years ago, guys getting earings, were MUCH LESS acceptable than guys getting a nose or tongue ring now. Do you think you would have had the same limits then? No way. You probably would've said "it's ok for girls to have earings...but anything more is disgusting".
I would put everything in one pot. I would say that as far as God's concerned, a guy getting an earing is the same as a guy getting a nose or tongue ring. The only thing that would change it is if others are effected by one more negatively than the other.
So, basically, my point is that if you're going to set limits, just make sure that people understand that they are your personal limits, and not what you think God thinks. (Since the first one changes but the latter does not). |
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| Quote: | My answer would be this. First ask yourself WHY you want a tattoo. Is it because your friends got it and you feel left out? Is it because you have a national pride and want to show it (refering to the Canadian tattoo you mentioned), or some other reason?
If you say "I just want it for myself", that doesn't really make sense to me. How do you feel different by having an image of some kind on your body? You can't FEEL it, you can't even SEE it unless you go look for it in a mirror. So what does "I want it for myself" really mean? It must have an outward reason of some kind. You just need to dig deeper |
K, like I said before, it has nothing to do with my friends. They got theres years ago, some are still waiting to get one, and others just dont want one.
Well, when I say its for me, what I mean is this. For me, and away to express myself, outwardly. Now, I know this is a thin line, because, we shouldnt be expressing ourselfs, but Christ. Which if it were a Bible verse, or a cross, then that would be doin that. But as for Canadian Flag, or my family name, well, I guess its how you look at it, and what it really means.
As for the name, i think thats justifible. As for Canada, well, maybe this is the fall back, wheres its wrong. But maybe not. People get tattoos of animales, and other creative things. If I where a shirt with Cananda on it, thats fine, and thats the total reason, if I were to get it, would be to get it. I want to traval some day, I want people to know where Im from in these other countreys.
This is why, a tattoo, can be right, if its an innocent way, and you just get it because you like it, you want it, just cause.
Its wrong if you get it to pretry an image, other then God, spirtitual wise. Or if your friends get it, you get it, and dont really know for sure if you Want one.
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